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DOFP Reaction Post!
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on the topic of Cherik *_*
I am personally looking to write about 5000 fics in which Erik did things very differently that whole time, because augh terrible Magneto antics were terrible, but I BELIEVE IN OUR BOYS. Things will get better in fic because GODDAMNIT WE WRITE THE FIC.
~SPARKLY FEELINGS FOR EVERYONE~
Re: on the topic of Cherik *_*
and there will be SO MANY WAYS for them to get back together in fic.
Re: on the topic of Cherik *_*
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GLEE.
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(Anonymous) 2014-05-30 09:39 pm (UTC)(link)In fact, I've been thinking about it, and I think the only reason they didn't get to at least work together in this one is because they wanted to save it for Apocalypse. I mean, it's weird because in the first half of DOFP they write the movie as if they are aiming for some Cherik team work and then, from nowhere, it all changes and Erik goes back to being crazy and megalomaniac Magneto. I heard that Erik's final scenes weren't in the original script and I've been thinking they probably changed after having Apocalypse confirmed...
Anyway, even if that wasn't true I would still think we'll have lots of Cherik in the same side in Apocalypse.
Kimberg pretty much confirmed it and besides, I don't see another possibility,really.
I know the movies follow comics veeery losely, but they always make a few references to the story arcs they are being inspired by and I think that makes impossible to write Erik as the villian.
I know many people never read the comics, so let me clarify: in Apocalypse ERIK IS THE GOOD GUY.
That's right, he's the good guy, the one that leads the X Men, the guy that fights for the humans and keeps repeating that Charles was right all along...
I don't think they will go that far, but I think making Erik the villain once again would be a disservice to this awesome storyline.
Besides, I'm sorry Erik, but in a movie with Apocalypse and very much likely, Sinister, I feel like all the super villain sits will already be taken. ;)
Hopefully.
Going back to topic, though, FIC. A lot ot fic will be needed until then and I hope this awesome fandom keeps on rocking. I love your writing, btw, Helens, so I' hoping to see a lot of you around!! :D
random-ass critique: mystique's makeup
but omg jennifer lawrence's mystique makeup
i know JLaw was apparently allergic to whatever they used in XMFC (read this somewhere), but the new look looks so... gah. it kept tipping me out of her scenes. i don't know if it's the shininess of the blue or the fewer scales...
anyways, i hope that in X:A they'll fix it up somehow.
(i'm sorry i just REALLY NEEDED TO LET IT OUT)
also, if they don't keep the magneto-mystique-professor x triumvirate of mutant leadership, i will be very upset.
Re: random-ass critique: mystique's makeup
I'm with you -- I loved loved loved LOVED that we ended up with the Mags/Mystique/Professor X triumverate. Now if only Magneto would stop dropping stadiums on people and start actually being a skilled strategist. XD
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(;_;)
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Also, we can fanwank it and say that she went to the other blue to be "Mystique" -- it's not 'the real Raven', and maybe in X:A she'll be more of her own person and have slightly better makeup and we can say "ah ha, THAT is more like it!" As long as it's better...
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(Anonymous) 2014-05-27 11:01 pm (UTC)(link)Aside from the drunken party in XMFC, where the kids showed off their powers to each other... have we ever seen anyone having fun using their mutant powers, the way Quicksilver obviously enjoys his Pentagon antics? Have we seen anyone use them in a casual, everyday way, not as part of brooding/plotting like Erik when he flings his quarter around in XMFC and sews up his head and floats the film reel in DOFP, but just in the course of ordinary life, like Quicksilver playing Ping-Pong against himself?
Plus, Quicksilver's particular quality of brattiness - snooping, taking wallets to get answers instead of asking, being perpetually impatient and flaunting the fact that he's way ahead - is totally in line with how he experiences the world, with everyone else so slow, often to the point of motionlessness, from his point of view.
It's funny, when he only appeared for a relatively brief couple of scenes, but Quicksilver in DOFP may be the best characterization we've seen yet of a mutant whose powers are natural to him and fully integrated into his life and his way of seeing the world.
Quicksilver
I loved Peter David's take on Quicksilver ages ago, when he described Quicksilver as being a bit of a jerk because-- you know that driver who's going 20 in a 45 zone for no reason, or the guy who takes too long at the ATM? Everyone is that person to Quicksilver, so no wonder he's annoyed all the time.
Anyway, I was pleased that the jerkishness didn't come through, but the impatience did, and we got to see him being a little bratty but mostly playful.
Also, I have been a Quicksilver fan since approximately 1987 and I am JUST NOW realizing -- seriously, just TODAY -- that Quicksilver is A KIND OF METAL. I cannot believe how long that took. And I think it might be a coincidence, because I don't know that they had decided that Wanda and Pietro were Mags's kids back when they were first introduced, but it's still a great coincidence!
--
I want to know what the hell he's using to play music, as it apparently plays music at Quicksilver speed. XD
--
Okay, now for some of my Quicksilver headcanon:
* His name is actually Pietro, he just goes by Peter because it's easier.
* When watching Magneto on the screen, he's not horrified. He's becoming a Magneto convert. (This may get jossed later, but I still love the idea of Pietro kind of hero-worshipping his dad.)
* Pietro totally went to Woodstock.
* I would like 9000 ways in which Pietro tries harebrained schemes to get his dad and Charles back together. :D
* Someone suggested that the Maximoffs (or even just Ms. Maximoff there) are Pietro's foster parents, and I LOVE that idea. It also fits into canon (Maximoff was not Magda's last name; they were a different family altogether), and on top of that, it means the little girl he was holding in his lap was possibly his foster sister and not Wanda or Lorna. And it means maybe Wanda is off in a different foster home.
* Alternately, I'd be okay with that being Magda and Maximoff just being their last name. The kid could be anybody -- maybe Wanda was in another room because she's really easily upset by tense news and didn't want to risk blowing ANOTHER TV. In fact, maybe he got started stealing TVs because Wanda kept blowing them up. :(
:D :D :D PIETRO YAY! I really didn't expect to like him as much as I did, but I really enjoyed his scenes!
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Another thing I thought about after watching that scene was how different his teenage years were compared to Charles and Erik's.
DOFP Backstory Timeline
Hank says that the school fell apart after Charles’s proteges started getting drafted.
The Vietnam War draft lottery began in December of 1969. (The draft was in effect before that, but the numbers were relatively small, and for various reasons it seems unlikely the draft would have hit the Xavier school hard before that point.)
That means that Charles Xavier was not sitting out the fight for ten years. It seems he spent the ’60s recovering from his spinal cord injury and starting a school for mutant youth, which probably fell apart in ‘70.
Meanwhile, the Paris Peace Accords seen in DOFP took place in January of 1973. So Charles’s years of inaction were probably just 1970, ‘71 and ‘72. Still a long time to drop out... but it’s not ten years.
Personally I just feel like taking Charles entirely out of action for longer than that is character assassination. I know Charles has lost hope, he's depressed and addicted, and as a person with depression I know it can eat years of your life at a time. But it's really hard to see Charles as heroic or even decent if he spends years on end sitting on top of several billion dollars' worth of resources and not putting any of it to use to help people.
Unless you headcanon that after Moira quit the CIA and came back to get her memories back after the mindwipe they had BOTH AGREED ON-- Charles hired Moira to manage the estate and put the money to work for mutantkind, which is an idea I am adopting: now.
erik was right
(Anonymous) 2014-05-28 01:02 am (UTC)(link)sentinel timeline
Anyways, basically, I'm just trying to understand the basic timeline gist of the sentinels (not specific years or anything because, lol, good luck reconciling that).
XMFC
- existence of mutants may or may not be revealed to very specific people in the government after Cuba Missile Crisis
pre-DOFP
- Erik gets imprisoned in '63. Between then and '73, Trask successfully hunts down, experiments, and kills most of the Brotherhood+others. Did anyone see if there were any specific dates on those autopsy reports? Like, were all those captures an immediate thing? Something that happened later on?
- If Mystique gets her own movies, I swear to god, there better be at least a voiceover explaining what happened during those ten years better.
- Since Mystique seems to only discover Trask Industries' involvement in '73 after finding out where the Vietnam Mutant Taskforce was going to be shipped to, it seems a good guess that either (a) Trask was very good at capturing the Brotherhood mutants one-by-one or (b) someone/something else was doing the capturing and Trask was buying from them.
- Trask begins making Sentinels. At some point, he hears about Magneto (due to JFK assassination?) and makes them plastic.
DOFP, original timeline:
- US govt refuses Sentinel program.
- Mystique kills Trask. She gets captured by Stryker and is then experimented on by Stryker and/or US government.
- all governments want Sentinel program.
post-DOFP, original timeline:
- Mystique escapes after some X number of years.
- Magneto is released from prison, somehow, and Mystique rejoins Magneto. I feel like these two are related... Mystique is so traumatized/angry/full of rage that she's like, "WHO CAN HELP ME GET VENGEANCE?" and goes 'oh yeah, erik' and does Prison Break Version 1.0 <-- current headcanon (plz, quicksilver, not even a drop of blood while breaking him out? lemme show you sumthin).
- Mystique's blood is analyzed. and analyzed. and analyzed. Successful integration into Sentinels?
- 2000s: X1 (magneto imprisoned again), X2 (prison break version 2.0), X3 (charles dies)
- Magneto loses his powers. Mystique loses her powers. Charles returns by possessing his comatose brother's body (????).
post X3
- Governments finally decide to release Sentinel program against Mutant Menace
- Magneto regains powers. Mystique presumably dies (with/without regaining powers?)
- 2023: death, mayhem, and near-extinction
basically, i have no idea why sentinels were initially created in '70s and not heard of until post-2000s, especially since in the original timeline, they weren't shelved.
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After Nixon was impeached and resigned, the Sentinel program fell out of favor-- it didn't have Trask to champion it anymore, and in the absence of any further major threats from mutants, the motivation to pursue it died, plus in the wake of Vietnam public support for militarization was low, and at that time the intelligence communities were undergoing scrutiny for abuse of resources and power... so many reasons why the Sentinel project might have been back-burnered.
It probably hung in there by a thread during Carter's presidency, but then Reagan, who never met a Pentagon boondoggle he didn't like, increased its funding, spurring active Sentinel development again; but it was still beyond the current tech, plus it wasn't a priority compared to Reagan-favorite programs like Star Wars. Under Clinton, the program probably would've been downgraded again, stalling the project.
Then, in 2000, Magneto launches his plot to turn influential humans into mutants, and is eventually arrested and imprisoned. Anti-mutant paranoia resurges and the Sentinel program is revived, and now the technology exists to actually realize the Mystique-inspired Sentinels, so they're being designed, built and tested from 2000-2006, when the original X-Men trilogy happened. Shortly after the battle over the mutant cure, the first Sentinels were unleashed and the dystopia begins.
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lol, now I'm imagining that the Sentinels' insides are literally just made of millions of tiny plastic gears in order to replace the circuit boards.
Serum & Shitty Science: the Fanwanking
(also, i haven't been active in fandom for ages; "fanwank" used to mean something completely different in my day...)
So I know we're supposed to be sort of hand-wavey about how Hank's serum actually works, but I was having some fun trying to actually rationalize it.
Please note that (a) I haven't studied biology in YEARS and (b) real scientists are absolutely welcome to trample over my misconceptions/mistakes.
Firstly, I never thought it made any sense for the X-gene to be this new single gene added into a human's DNA. 1. That's a lot of base pairs showing up out of nowhere, 2. no way one gene can produce that variety of powers, and 3. the global (rather than local) rise of mutants makes this rather unlikely.
(It would be interesting to know whether certain areas are more prone to breeding certain types of mutants however. Like, for some reason, Kansas City has a higher percentage of psionics (based on manifestation location) than the rest of the world.)
The "X-gene" is really a misnomer for a bunch of mutations of already existing genes that leads to Powers. And because there's probably no way for the serum to work for all mutants otherwise, there's something about these specific genetic mutations that are physically different from normal DNA - some rare/new side group, maybe (maybe I should have just gone for the singular X-gene...).
Hank's Mystique-derived serum from XMFC overexpressed his mutant genes. I'm imagining that the only reason Hank wasn't born blue and furry is because of the marvel of epigenetics. the alternative is possibly that Mystique's DNA did some reverse transcriptase shit and that's why he's blue.
In DOFP, I imagined that in making his cure/control serum, he must have used Mystique's DNA again from leftover samples. The serum effectively represses the X-gene/side group/wtf-ever (yooo operons). Based on the Sentinel fight, we know that it is able to make you completely homo sapiens human, but that it's temporary. The repressors can be washed away/neutralized by either normal body metabolism (the time-method) or by heightened emotions, which implies some sort of chemical change (increase in adrenaline?). Actually, now that I think about it, Hank is able to switch from human-mutant-human without taking a new dose, so the second method must just neutralize the serum temporarily? whereas time completely degrades/washes away/whatever the serum.
(also, did Hank basically create the Cure Lite?)
Furthermore, it's not a binary ON/OFF DNA-changer. It acts more on a scale from overly-expressed-mutant-self to homo-sapiens-self. The repressors don't turn genes on/off - they must be affecting the rate of RNA transcription which leads to the mutant phenotype?
Hank says he made a new derivative of his serum for Charles to treat his spine. The mutation-dampening properties are already known. So he altered the serum to... somehow encourage the growth of new neurons? It's like stem-cell shit, jfc. but then how do these new neurons "disappear" when the serum wears off? ARGH. Ooh, maybe the neurons are able to grow only when the X-genes are repressed and then begin to die off once the genes are expressed again? (some sort of immune response, deal with it.) the more mutant expression, the faster they die.
Ok, so assuming Charles' serum has the same properties of Hank's + neurogeneration: for the power-dampening effects of the serum to be more permanent (as in, isn't affected by emotions), Charles would have to take a shitload of serum all the time so that even if he does get upset, it's not enough to take him from the 100%-homo-sapiens end of expression. More upset he gets, the quicker he has to take the serum? Which is why he doesn't use just enough serum to create that gradient scale like Hank because that means he still has use of his powers, no matter how dull they are, which means he can still feel others' pain, and apparently even a little bit of that is still too much for DOFP!Charles, based on when his powers return at the mansion. Alternatively, Hank could have altered the serum so that it WAS an ON/OFF switch for Charles, and so it's... not... as... affected... by... emotions...?
urgh shitty science. i tried. that was fun! :P
Re: Serum & Shitty Science: the Fanwanking
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Loved Charles, loved Hank, thought Erik was an asshole but funny (what else is new?). Is he a bit of a masochist? I loved how he tried to entice Charles into "chess" after getting punched in the face, then pulled a "hey girl" when Mystique had that knife against his throat. I damn near cackled in the theater after his plan got thwarted, he took a well deserved bullet to the face, then just sort of went "welp, you win some, you lose some!" and floated away. And Charles let him! Chuck, I know you're filled with love and hope right now, but Erik is probably not best left to his own devices.
ETA: AND PIETRO/PETER! I had extremely low expectations, but he was right up there with Mystique as a favorite.